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Tim Ferriss: Jerzy, good to see you, as at all times.
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah, pleasure.
Tim Ferriss: I’m going to speak —
Jerzy Gregorek: Good to be right here.
Tim Ferriss: Yeah. I at all times love spending time with you and I’ve needed to have this dialog for — doing the mathematics — greater than 10 years since you informed me of this transformation that we’re going to be discussing intimately a very long time in the past. And it blew my thoughts to the extent that you could be not keep in mind this. I needed to attempt to determine a solution to rent a long-form journalist to put in writing —
Jerzy Gregorek: I keep in mind.
Tim Ferriss: — a whole long-form journal piece on this. And it turned out {that a} a lot better format is movie. And positively on this dialog we’ll discuss it, however to not bury the lede.
For individuals who don’t have any context, Jerzy and I’ve recognized one another fairly a very long time. And Jerzy’s appeared on the podcast earlier than alongside Naval Ravikant, who additionally has labored with Jerzy. And Jerzy’s a four-time world weightlifting champion, co-founder of UCLA’s weightlifting group, co-creator along with his spouse, Aniela, the beautiful Aniela of the Blissful Physique program. There’s much more to his story. We get into it in depth within the first dialog.
This time round, we’re going to speak a few very, very particular transformation that individuals may not affiliate with weightlifting once they envision lifting weights within the fitness center. And that’s simply how far-reaching teaching transformation may be. And I’m going to learn a definition, first, of cerebral palsy. CP. That is from the AI reply on Google, however you’ll see some model of this in most locations, so:
“Cerebral palsy is a bunch of everlasting issues affecting motion, posture, and muscle tone brought on by irregular mind growth or injury to the creating mind, often earlier than start, generally it’s throughout start. It’s the most typical motor incapacity in kids leading to non-progressive limitations.”
I’m simply highlighting just a few phrases right here.
“Everlasting non-progressive limitations, which means the mind harm doesn’t change over time on muscle coordination and stability.”
All proper. Now, I’m going to match that with a lead into the doc, which I’m making obtainable at no cost on YouTube, which is named Prisoner, No Extra. We’ll have extra to say about that. It’s fairly brief, simple to look at, about half-hour to my reminiscence. And right here’s the outline.
“What occurs when a health care provider’s prognosis turns into a life sentence and one particular person refuses to serve it? Prisoner, No Extra follows Tae Jin Park, and I acknowledge that’s not most likely the right pronunciation for Korean, however Tae Jin Park, a younger man recognized with cerebral palsy who dismantled each bodily limitation medical science predicted for him by way of elite athletic coaching underneath Olympic power coach Jerzy Gregorek and an uncompromising dedication to id transformation Tae Jin’s story redefines what the human, physique and thoughts are able to.”
And that’s directed by Jeff Wolfe and we are going to come again to that as properly.
However let’s hop into an precise dialog right here and start with Jerzy, in case you wouldn’t thoughts, just a few earlier than and afters, proper? After which we’ll go into your entire chronology of it and all the things else, however possibly we might simply contact on just a few, like, bench press, what he might do earlier than — Tae Jin — and what he might do after. Math, language, the place would you want to start out?
Jerzy Gregorek: Let’s begin from bench press, I assume.
Tim Ferriss: Okay.
Jerzy Gregorek: So the primary day I loaded the bar 15 kilos and he couldn’t elevate. He couldn’t take it off the rack.
Tim Ferriss: He couldn’t unrack it.
Jerzy Gregorek: Simply solely 15 kilos. So I’ve this wood bar, Olympic wood bar that I used to teach kids, four-year-olds, 5. I keep in mind my daughter was doing snatches when she was three years previous. It’s three kilos. However I put the three kilos on and he lifted three kilos.
And so I believed, “Okay, he might elevate three, so let’s see if he can elevate eight.” So I added 5 kilos and he did. It shocked me, the distinction. After which I loaded one other 5 on, it was 13 and he did, got here again to fifteen kilos, he barely lifted, however he did.
In order that gave me the perception immediately that he’s going to progress quick. So I requested for his father to return to the fitness center. And I inform him, “You need to be right here and it’s important to watch each session with him as a result of one thing goes to occur right here.” I already get the emotions that one thing good goes to occur.
Tim Ferriss: I don’t need to spoil the story. We’re going to get into micro-progressions and definitely the significance of the bench press, which you recognized actually early on. What did he get to as his most working weight within the bench press?
Jerzy Gregorek: He received to 170.
Tim Ferriss: What physique weight?
Jerzy Gregorek: I believe round 140. So he handed his physique weight. He grew to become stronger than his father, and his father couldn’t imagine. However as the daddy was watching it for years, at one level, he mentioned, “I’m actually getting what the micro-progression is. It’s an incredible factor.” In order that was actually one thing.
Tim Ferriss: So one other layer to this story that makes it all of the extra wonderful and inspirational and mind-boggling is that Tae Jin is also autistic, if I’m right, proper?
Jerzy Gregorek: Proper.
Tim Ferriss: So when you’re serving to him to construct confidence and competence bodily, you’re additionally engaged on numerous different issues, and I’m positive we’ll get into lots of them. However might you simply inform us a bit extra about his conversational means earlier than and after?
Jerzy Gregorek: What the daddy informed me that he was — the dialog solely with Tae Jin was “Time to go to mattress,” or “Time to eat.” And there have been some, most likely, extra as a result of he might depend to 1 to 10, however he wouldn’t know what’s three minus two. So the mathematics, what I seen that he must work on the mathematics, as a result of I requested him to do 5 squats and he did six or 4, generally 5.
So I mentioned, “Tae Jin, I needed 5.” And he mentioned, “That was 5,” and it was six. So he was lacking, and that gave me the concept he must work on his math. So I began asking him easy questions, “What’s three plus two?” “Three plus 5?” And as much as 10, he was okay. However after 10, didn’t know what’s the 5 plus seven. The subtraction didn’t know in any respect.
In order that was the start of the mathematics. When it got here to English after which a dialog, he couldn’t have any dialog. So the daddy, after about most likely a yr, he mentioned, “We had a primary dialog.”
Tim Ferriss: After a yr of coaching?
Jerzy Gregorek: Sure. We really discuss one thing. That’s what was wonderful. Yeah.
Tim Ferriss: Then after how lengthy did you practice with Tae Jin?
Jerzy Gregorek: Nearly 5 years.
Tim Ferriss: Okay. So on the finish of 5 years, with math, the place was he? Okay. So on the finish of 5 years, with math, the place was he on the finish of 5 years?
Jerzy Gregorek: Nicely, he’s in group faculty. He handed 57 items, so he’s ready for an additional three items to complete 60 and go to San Jose State. So you’ll be able to think about what his math is and English. He writes essays and —
Tim Ferriss: It’s simply — let that sink in, individuals. It’s so wild. And also you’ll see this within the video. So to not simply converse about concrete objects — the mug in entrance of us or one thing to the left of us, the canine on the ground — however you had him memorize poetry so you might talk about issues like emotional tone, metaphor, proper? Moving into rather more difficult terrain.
And it’s, truthfully, the extra I study this and the extra I revisit it, as a result of this isn’t the primary time we’ve talked about this, and I simply rewatched the documentary earlier right this moment, which I did the voiceover for. And I received actually emotional watching it, to be trustworthy.
And so I need to discuss in regards to the find out how to, as a result of there’s so many items to this, however possibly what we should always discuss is why earlier approaches hadn’t labored, proper? How are individuals with cerebral palsy typically handled by society? Why have they got these deficiencies? The lazy clarification is, properly, they’d this mind injury or irregular mind growth. And that’s that, proper?
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah.
Tim Ferriss: It’s a sentence. After which Tae Jin had labored with bodily therapists earlier than assembly you. So why didn’t he make progress? I imply, these are two totally different questions, however I’ll allow you to begin with possibly the way you view the atmosphere and society as implicated within the growth for individuals with cerebral palsy.
And this is applicable to many different locations, by the best way. It’s not restricted to cerebral palsy, however as an illustration, we had been speaking about group faculty and Tae Jin when he determined to return to highschool, which didn’t begin with faculty, in fact. And there have been numerous pressures to place him right into a particular program. And also you had been like, “No, no particular program. He must be round regular children.” And so I’m main into it a bit bit, however would you prefer to say a bit extra about that?
Jerzy Gregorek: Nicely, I come from Olympic weightlifting, as you understand. So athletics focus at all times on progress and reaching data, breaking data, and that’s what the athletes are about. However when you consider bodily therapists, chiropractors, docs, we name them actually, in weightlifting, recoverers.
So serving to us to get well, acupuncture, therapeutic massage, and all of that is after we do the coaching, we’d like restoration. So the restoration is that system that helps us to get well the physique for the following day and do the following day one thing a bit bit greater than earlier than and create the progress. When a bodily therapist strategy, let’s say any individual that’s after surgical procedure or has issues, the mission is to return the particular person to the place the particular person was earlier than. And the identical with docs, make them wholesome once more.
However with Tae Jin, that’s not the case, or cerebral palsy individuals, as a result of they’re already there and so they can not return anyplace. In order that they should progress the identical manner as athletes, ahead extra, both stronger, quicker, what’s 5 plus seven, or proper align, memorize the poem. So all of it and perception system that you just discuss earlier than a bit bit and triggers right here too, as a result of he hated the son, the son, and he hated police and he hated mom, he hated father. And that got here out throughout our technique of teaching.
In order that I needed to tackle too. So all of the philosophy was additionally the a part of it. It was poetry, philosophy, there was math, and it was English. However coming again to what you mentioned about the entire group that works with cerebral palsy, I believe that the main focus just isn’t athletic focus. The main focus is to consolation them. So not likely enhance them, to not enhance them so they’re bettering, simply to consolation them so that they have the protection life and they’re okay, I assume. That’s most likely the distinction right here.
Tim Ferriss: And simply to reiterate one thing for people who find themselves listening, we’re speaking about, in some respects, two issues that can get intermingled as we discuss, which doesn’t imply that we’re equating them. However you might have, on one hand, the temper have an effect on and among the communication challenges and different parts of autism spectrum dysfunction. After which you might have the motor challenges and rather more, in fact, associated to cerebral palsy.
So we’re speaking about each. And let’s revisit the prior bodily therapist, proper? As a result of I imagine, primarily based on among the notes that you just despatched to me, that his strategy was to place Tae Jin on a treadmill. Is that proper?
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah.
Tim Ferriss: In different phrases, it was —
Jerzy Gregorek: And he hated that.
Tim Ferriss: — he threw him right into a plan, but it surely wasn’t a development. I don’t know if that’s honest to say. I imply, possibly there was some —
Jerzy Gregorek: Some, possibly.
Tim Ferriss: — minimal development to it.
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah, possibly some development of a treadmill, however treadmill after some time creates exhaustion, tiredness, and the mind really turns into depleted as a substitute of getting the facility, getting the power, getting extra power.
We’re speaking about resting power. And when that resting power may be improved, the resting power can preserve the particular person awake. He was very torpid initially.
Tim Ferriss: He would sleep within the automobile, he would sleep —
Jerzy Gregorek: Sleeping within the automobile.
Tim Ferriss: — every time he had the alternatives.
Jerzy Gregorek: And by no means was woke up within the automobile. When he was within the room, he would often sleep as a result of he was not engaged with individuals, so he was sleeping.
Tim Ferriss: And so the bench press looks as if it was one of many type of key parts to growing resting power.
Jerzy Gregorek: Sure, bench press, squats.
Tim Ferriss: What sort of squats?
Jerzy Gregorek: Again squat.
Tim Ferriss: Again squat.
Jerzy Gregorek: Again squat. After which finally the again squat was a giant problem as a result of he couldn’t sit down. He was very stiff. As a result of he was stiff, he would fall every day. He was bruised everywhere in the physique, and he walked awkwardly. Often, [the] father held his arms and once they had been strolling and he was simply strolling very to the left, to the again, awkwardly. In order that created a problem. So the problem for the squatting was that he was not in a position to squat down. He was in a position to bend.
Tim Ferriss: Proper. Which is why his mother and father additionally took him to the lavatory. They took care of all the things.
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah. He was searching for the field or the chair. You keep in mind the field?
Tim Ferriss: I do. Yeah.
Jerzy Gregorek: So he was not in a position to sit on a 20-inch field as a result of he was bending ahead and searching for the field. In order that was about, I assume initially, about 20 inch, 23 inches. When it got here to 16 inches, I seen that he’s properly squatting down and in addition was in a position to flip. At the start, he was not in a position to flip. So after I seen that, I informed the dad, “He’s able to go to the restroom on his personal and prepared for the opposite issues within the restroom.” And that was the start of the primary, actually, independence for Tae Jin. He was in a position to costume himself.
The opposite factor was to tie the shoelaces. So at a sure level I noticed that he has this sneakers and his shoelaces had been untied and the daddy ran to tie his sneakers. I mentioned, “No, no, no, he can try this.” And he mentioned, “Okay.” So father sat. We had been outdoors of close to our lunges in our home. And so he bent and he tried to tie and the daddy was wanting, piercing. I mentioned, “Chill out, he’s going to be okay. ” And I created this ambiance facilitated for Tae Jin so he might calm down and he might really make it occur.
It was about 20 minutes earlier than he really made it, but it surely was a torture for the daddy. So I began actually seeing how the mother and father are with him, that I needed to educate the daddy, the mom to be affected person, to attend till he does one thing, to not do for him. In order that was additionally a component of that was wanted to be mounted.
Tim Ferriss: It’s additionally, in it by way of a really sympathetic lens, I can perceive how all three of them have been struggling and dealing arduous to do one of the best they will over — how previous was Tae Jin once you met him?
Jerzy Gregorek: 25.
Tim Ferriss: 25.
Jerzy Gregorek: They had been intense right here.
Tim Ferriss: So 25 years of conditioning and habits.
Jerzy Gregorek: 25.
Tim Ferriss: So it takes time for everyone concerned to alter these habits.
Jerzy Gregorek: They had been a ticking bomb.
Tim Ferriss: Yeah.
Jerzy Gregorek: They had been so intense with him and he was, I might say, so quick to reply. And his, additionally, stroll was that manner. He tried to stroll quick as a result of he believed that strolling quick, he can be regular. However I slowed down all the things. I taught him find out how to stroll and it was the torture for him, however mentioned, “Heel and toe and heel.” After about two, three years, he began strolling usually, heel and toe. And I do know I’ve movies. I despatched you movies of it. It simply was simply wonderful to look at, Tae Jin, to stroll with mushy arms as a result of his arms had been actually up and —
Tim Ferriss: Contracted and managed.
Jerzy Gregorek: And actually contracted. Yeah. And management, extraordinarily managed. After which all the things began being extra mushy and relaxed. And he began strolling like a traditional particular person, what the daddy needed. Got here to one among my birthdays and it was simply wonderful to see him on the market about 4 years. Folks had been simply puzzled and [were] similar to, “Is it the identical particular person, actually? What occurred to Tae Jin?” It was simply wonderful.
Tim Ferriss: So I’d love to spotlight just a few of the substances that had been crucial for the recipe that led to that as a result of a pal of mine, I’ll identify him as a result of it’s humorous, he’ll get giggle out of it. I keep in mind I launched my pal, Mike, to you. And Mike has a large number of points along with his hips. He has one titanium hip. And I keep in mind I launched the 2 of you. He came to visit and also you guys educated, you laid out a program for him and he was unable to squat correctly to a sure depth. So that you meet individuals the place they’re, proper? Everyone can enhance, but it surely’s about figuring out the start line. You’re well-known for saying this.
And so that you gave him a sure depth. And I keep in mind he did that for possibly per week after which he was feeling good. So we determined to do it 5 inches deeper or one thing like that. And he got here again and met with you and your response was, “You’re losing each of our time.” As a result of the micro-progressions are a key element to progressing with out harm. And in addition, I do know that you just really feel just like the “no ache, no achieve” strategy to coaching is a delusion, proper, or that perception undergirding coaching.
So I need to point out only a few different issues and they’re, in fact, all consistent with your most well-known mantra of “Laborious decisions, simple life, simple decisions, arduous life.” Laborious doesn’t essentially imply painful, proper? However it does imply arduous or tough, however I need to point out just a few of them right here as a result of it’s so complete.
We’ll come again to this, however automobile recognizing, proper? So Tae Jin was so torpid, as we already famous, that he was usually sleeping, however after six months or so, you requested his father if he seen something new and he remarked that Tae Jin had seen a automobile on the best way over.
So that you began to present him assignments to recollect the vehicles that he noticed, the colour, the make, whether or not the motive force was male or feminine. And you bought an inkling of his potential for math as a result of he began memorizing the license place, which is simply unbelievable. Then negativity, this destructive have an effect on, you already talked about him hating the solar, hating the police, hating this, that, or the opposite factor. At sure factors, hating the exercise, which possibly we’ll come again to as a result of I believed it was very intelligent the way you responded to that with, “Nicely, when you’re an grownup, you’ll be able to determine if you wish to stop the coaching.”
Jerzy Gregorek: And that was a trick.
Tim Ferriss: Yeah, it was a trick.
Jerzy Gregorek: It labored.
Tim Ferriss: And also you had hurdles for hitting that. You additionally gave him assignments although to return again to the negativity, having dialogues and asking him inquiries to see the world extra objectively. So assignments to have him write in English and clarify why the solar and the police may be essential for our existence.
Using celebrations, so I’d ask you about this, however having sure milestones for him the place you’d give him a certificates, after which I believe it was in a while going to eating places along with his household and giving it to him in entrance of him, but in addition as a result of his life, I suppose, appeared so maybe to him uneventful as much as that time, like nothing was occurring. Perhaps you might converse a bit bit to that after which I’ll soar into a few of these others.
Jerzy Gregorek: Nicely, his mind was virgin, so nothing was there. So he didn’t have historical past, so he couldn’t actually discuss no matter he was doing. He was not doing something. So I —
Tim Ferriss: Proper. There was no content material.
Jerzy Gregorek: I needed to create historical past in his thoughts, create one thing, reminiscence, about one thing. So one of many issues was to present him certificates for the breaking data. So every time he broke the report, then we printed a diploma. And I requested father to arrange a dinner celebration and each time the report was damaged within the squat or bench press, we went for a dinner. Throughout this dinner, we gave him a diploma and another individuals got here and it was this celebration.
And Tae Jin began liking this, was like a star. And after a few yr, I noticed him, he began speaking about this celebration. He talked about math, he talked about poems. And so all of it began changing into his reminiscence, his historical past, and it was crucial. And he additionally began liking breaking data. He received loopy on leaping up the field, however that got here as a result of he needed to be an grownup.
Tim Ferriss: Okay. So we’re going to get to the maturity that may come up instantly. I additionally simply need to give credit score the place credit score is as a result of mother and father. And I don’t know to what extent it was each mother and father or the daddy, however driving twice per week. How lengthy was the commute every manner?
Jerzy Gregorek: In order that they had been coming twice per week, about one hour and a half driving a technique. In order that they needed to have not less than 4 hours to return. Father was devoted, very sort, devoted, and stoic. He was there on a regular basis and also you couldn’t actually see any irritation in him in any respect. Beloved his son. That was very clear. So he was coming each time. When he couldn’t come, so his mom introduced him in. However it was, for them, 4 hours drive.
Tim Ferriss: Yeah, that’s an actual dedication.
Jerzy Gregorek: So I mentioned that with Tae Jin and I informed Tae Jin how devoted was his father. Ultimately after we began having dialog, a philosophical dialog, appreciative dialog. So I attempted to go on him the appreciation of his father and launch the creativeness about his father. If the daddy was not dedicated to that for 5 years to carry his son twice per week and each time spend 4 hours and the cash, then I informed Tae Jin, “You wouldn’t be who you’re right this moment. He helped you to change into what you’re.”
Tae Jin, it was attention-grabbing. He was simply, generally, “Look!” and you might see that he was fascinated by one thing. Generally he prefer it, probably the most pleasure that I noticed in him, he was breaking the data and a few movies are there. It was similar to —
Tim Ferriss: It’s within the doc.
Jerzy Gregorek: — he was so joyous. That’s like once you see kids generally, very joyous that in that second, that nothing else occurs. And it was ecstatic. It was simply so pleasurable to see.
Tim Ferriss: Yeah. Extra like an athlete profitable gold on the Olympics on the platform.
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah, precisely.
Tim Ferriss: Let’s discuss, as promised, about accountability in maturity, which was a artful technique in your half. Might you converse to that?
Jerzy Gregorek: He didn’t need to play piano at first.
Tim Ferriss: As a result of he had been required to take piano classes.
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah. Yeah. So father informed him to play piano. And mentioned he didn’t like to return to the exercise and coaching. He didn’t just like the coaching.
Tim Ferriss: So he didn’t just like the piano and he didn’t just like the coaching.
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah. After which he mentioned, “I need to cease the piano.” And I mentioned, “Nicely, you’re not an grownup. You can not do it. Someone must determine for you. However once you change into an grownup, you’ll be able to cease the piano. You don’t have to return right here for the coaching.” I mentioned, “Nicely, then what’s the grownup?” So we began discussing it. I mentioned, “What do you assume?” And he began discussing what is absolutely an grownup.
So I mentioned, “Nicely, grownup is impartial.” What does it imply, impartial? So working, getting cash, residing someplace individually and so forth and so forth. However then I mentioned, “However there’s different factor that we are able to take into account you an grownup. In the event you soar on an 18-inch field,” proper? So he was leaping, at the moment, round 11, 12 field.
Tim Ferriss: 11, 12 inches?
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah. He received so excited and he thought that he can conquer it in a short time. And he was on a mission with this field, I let you know. He was just like the power that was generated in him, properly, it’s the identical power like in me after I needed to go to Olympics, proper?
Tim Ferriss: He was motivated.
Jerzy Gregorek: I might run to the forest at 2:00 a.m., no matter was wanted to do, I might do. And I might do with numerous power and with simply dedication. And so he was dedicated. He needed to leap. However I knew that six inches, it’ll take two years as a result of micro-progression is there. He was not going to do it simply, however we had been on and we had been on and on. After which he got here to, I take into consideration like 17-something inches. He was so excited. After which we ended up with some issues and he needed to heal his again as a result of it’s not so easy to simply soar on the 18. It was an enormous problem for him.
Tim Ferriss: When individuals watch the documentary, and I might have talked about this within the introduction, however I made a brief hyperlink, doesn’t sound brief, however simple to recollect hyperlink that’ll level you straight to it on YouTube. In the event you simply go to tim.weblog/hardchoices, in case you go to tim.weblog/hardchoices, it’ll take you straight to the doc. However once you watch the doc and also you take a look at Tae Jin’s earlier than, what his movement, motor management, strolling appeared like earlier than and picture him leaping onto a 17-inch field. It’s unimaginable once you take a look at the start line. Actually simply unbelievable.
Now I need to hear you clarify one other growth that I believe is simply so compelling and that’s associated to math, proper? So he begins memorizing license plate numbers. You’re additionally working with him on repetitions and increase a few of that arithmetic muscle. How did he go from that to doing math 5 to 6 hours a day and having that fireside lit with him?
Jerzy Gregorek: Nicely, it was progressive.
Tim Ferriss: It was progressive, however that’s why I’m asking. How did he get there?
Jerzy Gregorek: So first I began actually engaged on the counting. So he needed to depend from till 20 or 30.
Tim Ferriss: I simply need to pause to simply let individuals have that sink in for a second. Math 5 to 6 hours a day, which once more, we’re going to speak in regards to the journey.
Jerzy Gregorek: Oh, yeah.
Tim Ferriss: Most individuals on 20 cups of espresso a day couldn’t do 5 to 6 hours of math a day.
Jerzy Gregorek: So I requested him in regards to the counting. First was the counting, that he couldn’t depend to twenty. So I mentioned, “Okay, let’s depend to fifteen. Are you able to depend to fifteen?” So we counted to fifteen. When he received to fifteen, I mentioned, “You go residence and also you begin studying to depend to twenty.” So he got here again and I examined him. “Did you depend to twenty?” “Yeah.” “So, okay, depend.” So he counted.
So then I add the addition, “How a lot is 5 plus seven?” He wouldn’t know. So homework, going homework, you find out how a lot is 5 by six, seven, eight, 9, all of the calculation as much as 24, the including, then subtraction, division, multiplication, all of it till the quantity 10 or 20. Then counting to 30, 40, 50, 100. And after we received there, I informed that he wants a tutor. We want a tutor, math tutor, and English tutor. He wants each.
And they also employed individuals to assist. After which, so I used to be testing, in fact, however he had these tutors. So I believe that it was an incredible addition to work on his mind. And I seen the identical story with different cerebral palsy folks that have difficulties with math. And a few of them that I noticed that they’d good English, however math seems to be like difficulties.
So finally when he progressed with power, with bench press, he got here to the sure level inside a yr that he might press about 100 kilos. And that gave him sufficient power that he might go to his laptop and spend hours on the pc to check his elementary faculty. He began, really, elementary faculty. And since he was not in elementary faculty, so he was 25 years previous when he’s sick. So he joined this program, elementary faculty program, and he began working by way of it on his personal.
And after two years, he handed the entire elementary faculty. Then he began highschool, one other two years, and he handed. Regular highschool, I do know a traditional, the identical program as different individuals. And father mentioned,” Tae Jin is on fireplace. It’s 2:00 a.m. and he’s nonetheless on his laptop and he began 8:00 p.m. And at 2:00 a.m. he’s on his laptop and he doesn’t need to cease.” For one thing in him woke up and [it was] highly effective.
And on the similar time, he began noticing that who he was as an individual, that truly he was an individual and he [had] cerebral palsy. And that generated numerous negativity in him, numerous resentment to his father and mom. After which he began actually speaking that he hates his mom after which he did all the things at the moment.
Tim Ferriss: That was earlier than.
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah.
Tim Ferriss: Earlier than, yeah. And simply to flash ahead, proper? I imply, his father’s reported that he’s residing in impartial existence, caring for his personal wants, planning his personal days, orders Uber, rides to get to his courses, manages his personal paperwork. In order that’s the after.
What did you discover when it comes to, and the way did you domesticate this in case you did? I don’t know in case you did this intentionally or if it was a byproduct of all the things else, however emotional vary or facial expressions. Did any of that change over the course of the coaching?
Jerzy Gregorek: Emotionally, he was clean, the identical, so for a very long time.
Tim Ferriss: You imply in no matter circumstances?
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah. However at a sure level, he began being destructive and expressing his negativity. After which he made these strikes and I couldn’t see the place he was. I used to be searching for the place he was, however I addressed negativity as one thing that wanted to be mounted. So every time he mentioned that he hated one thing, I challenged it, challenged it in a manner, “Why is it good?”
So he was destructive, however then why police is sweet? Why the solar is sweet? Why the daddy is sweet? Why the mom is sweet? So increasing and increasing creativeness for him so he might facilitate this, so he might discover in his thoughts, really, acceptance that truly is an efficient factor. It’s an enormous shift in his psyche believing and liking individuals, proper? He by no means appreciated me. It’s similar to, “I don’t such as you.” And he says, “I don’t such as you.”
Tim Ferriss: How lengthy did he say that for?
Jerzy Gregorek: On a regular basis. He’s by no means appreciated me.
Tim Ferriss: So he’ll have a good time and offer you a high-five to your coaching, however nonetheless.
Jerzy Gregorek: I don’t know even right this moment if he likes me, most likely not. I created numerous arduous decisions for him. So he went out, finally he’ll come up to now that he’ll possibly like what I had accomplished possibly, however not likely me.
Tim Ferriss: Oh, wow. That’s wonderful. Nicely, you understand what? So long as you don’t care in regards to the credit score, you’re doing good work on the earth.
Jerzy Gregorek: Nicely, it’s not likely, I used to be not there to shine.
Tim Ferriss: After all, in fact. Might you discuss serving to him or asking him to establish heroes a bit? That additionally caught out to me. Might you present a bit little bit of context to individuals on that piece of the puzzle?
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah. So he was already in elementary faculty and he was writing an essay a few hero.
Tim Ferriss: That was an project?
Jerzy Gregorek: Sure. And he wrote it.
Tim Ferriss: From faculty, not from you?
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah, from faculty as a result of he already had a tutor, English tutor. So he was at all times proud that when he did one thing, he was bringing one thing and studying me. So he learn it. And so he wrote about Genghis Khan and I mentioned, “Okay, so is Genghis Khan a hero?” “Yeah.” Okay. So I mentioned, “Nicely, why he’s a hero?” He talked a bit bit. And I mentioned, “So who’s a hero?”
Nicely, that created a philosophical strategy. So we ended up that the hero is absolutely risking their very own life for others to save lots of others, however that’s not Genghis Khan. I mentioned, “Genghis Khan was not that. He was a conqueror, however he was not a hero.” After which on the similar time, I watched this film about admiral, really Korean admiral, about 300 Japanese ships had been coming to Korea to overcome them. And he, with one ship and 12, and he stood as much as them. And really the 12 ships, the individuals didn’t need to battle, needed to give up.
He mentioned, “No.” And he fought and he fought and these different 12 ships joined him finally and the entire armada, Japanese armada turned again. And I mentioned, “That could be a hero.” And I mentioned, “That’s your hero from Korea and you’ll rewrite this essay.” “However it’s too late.” I mentioned, “It’s not too late. You’re going to go to your trainer, you inform the trainer why Genghis Khan was not a hero and also you need to write the essay.” “Okay.” I mentioned, “Okay, you go and do it.” And he did and he wrote the essay, the trainer agreed.
Tim Ferriss: I can see why he may not such as you.
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah.
Tim Ferriss: Yeah. It’s fairly honest.
Jerzy Gregorek: It was very fast. Give it some thought, I used to be teaching him —
Tim Ferriss: I perceive the aim.
Jerzy Gregorek: He was leaping, he was lifting, and on the similar time we did poetry, math, English, write all of it collectively. And it was fast, proper?
Tim Ferriss: Yeah. Laborious academics in his life.
Jerzy Gregorek: Why he wouldn’t like me. I don’t know why? Simply there are a lot of causes. However in the future he needed to step on the six-inch field, I keep in mind, and he tries to step and he wouldn’t step.
Tim Ferriss: And that is the one foot up.
Jerzy Gregorek: Stepping one foot and like on a stair, proper?
Tim Ferriss: After which stepping up.
Jerzy Gregorek: He was, “I couldn’t make it.”So I grabbed his shirt and pull him —
Tim Ferriss: I’ve seen the video.
Jerzy Gregorek: — in a knot. And after about two instances, I left him and he was leaping on this field like one among one other stepping one, one, one, and so quick. It’s simply wonderful what the mind is. You get a bit bit assist and all of the sudden the door opens up and it’s the development is large and quick. It’s wonderful. I let you know, what I used to be watching, what I discovered throughout this course of, wow.
Tim Ferriss: Yeah. Even to this present day, I do know that trendy science has come to a larger appreciation of mind plasticity and the malleability and adaptableness. And naturally, simply because the, let’s name it broadly talking, that is simplification, however the management middle for your entire physique, proper? The mind’s job is to maintain the physique alive. In order that they’re dance companions.
There may be simply a lot room for enchancment. And numerous the science that I’ve supported has been associated to this, however this was the primary time I’d ever seen such an incredible transformation in somebody with a cerebral palsy that was so clearly and properly documented additionally, proper? And I need to discuss subsequent steps in a bit bit to attempt to broaden this right into a examine. However earlier than we get there, are you able to converse to coaching logic? So I believe that was after about two years of already coaching with him, however engaged on his thought course of utilizing poetry. Why did you try this?
Jerzy Gregorek: He couldn’t actually learn the strains of poetry and perceive the emotions, feelings behind. So then I began actually doing the mathematics and seeing whether or not he can assume logically, proper? So I examined him if A is B and B is C. So he’s A, he’s additionally C and taking part in these video games.
And slowly he began not solely being logical in — I requested him about writing one thing about what’s logic and provides me the instance. And so he would carry me, “Was there logic or not?” So we examined that after which added the mathematics, however probably the most tough for him was to learn a line of poetry and know the metaphor, not likely what actually occurred, however what was the which means of the road?
Tim Ferriss: Behind the phrases, not simply the phrases.
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah. And each line. So after I requested him to recollect and recite the poem, he would recite the poem. After which we analyzed the poem each line of the road after line. And what’s the which means? What’s the feeling of the road? And that was an incredible risk for him to study the language and the emotions behind the language, the feelings. At the start, he didn’t have any clue in regards to the emotions, what the really written phrases specific in the case of emotions.
Tim Ferriss: Yeah. Once I take into consideration your total teaching expertise with Tae Jin, I’m struck by what number of totally different levers you had been in a position to assist him pull, proper? However one which meta lesson that pops out to me, and I’d love so that you can right this if I’m not fascinated by it the correct manner, is that he didn’t reply to individuals in dialog, proper? Didn’t have a lot of a response partly, and I’m projecting right here, as a result of he didn’t have the idea that he might. He had no historical past to help the idea that he might, proper?
After which with bodily motion, related, proper? And also you gave the instance, I imply, it is a very quick instance, however of grabbing the shirt and forcing him to do it. After which inside just a few repetitions, you let go and he’s doing it on his personal. And naturally, there’s the development over time, however even with the poetry and the way you gave him assignments to apply public talking, proper, with out that, he wouldn’t have had the arrogance to then converse, say, throughout the extra difficult context of college with classmates and issues like that.
I’ve to think about, proper? However I generally have listeners or readers ask me, “What can I learn to develop extra confidence?” And I’m like, “Nicely, you’ll be able to attempt to learn to develop extra confidence, however actually, you’re not going to idiot your self. You might want to do issues to develop the historical past of doing issues so that you’ve confidence.” However does that resonate or would you add or reframe that by some means?
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah, in fact, what you say, it’s a sure perspective, however I want to let you know about my perspective.
Tim Ferriss: Yeah, that’s what I’m asking.
Jerzy Gregorek: So I noticed the thoughts, the mind as one thing that should discover the best way ahead and discover the best way round these patches that had been useless. And I noticed it in every single place. I noticed it in math once you can not know what is 2 plus two that’s 4, and also you wrestle. For me, the kid struggles to seek out out what is 2 plus two.
Ultimately, the kid is aware of, and so there are particular connections already. After which two plus three and so forth. So growth of math, I noticed essential right here, crucial, that when I’m not there, he can apply really the mathematics. And by working towards the mathematics, we overcome this many steps, steps of development, the micro-progression. And in addition that problem has this plasticity of the mind, that plasticity just isn’t — I believed, okay, I make him sturdy doesn’t imply that one thing else goes to occur, or possibly I can’t make him sturdy as a result of the mathematics just isn’t developed.
So I noticed the connection between the squat, the bench, the numbers, the phrases, and the beliefs, and philosophy. I noticed connections in every single place, and I created the challenges, the arduous decisions each time, in every single place. For me, bench urgent, going from 100 kilos to 102 was not totally different than to know what’s 15 plus 17.
It’s if I do know what’s 15 plus 17 is one other factor that when it occurs, one thing occurred within the mind that was not there earlier than. And I began facilitating all this growth of the mind that may be challenged, developed from totally different perspective. And I believe that finally the analysis must be accomplished. I attempt to perceive what I’ve accomplished as a result of I’ve by no means actually labored with an individual like that. So I attempt to perceive too, what occurred there, how did it occur. And whether or not there may be risk even to copy this and assist so many individuals. Tae Jin’s progress is wonderful, loopy, wonderful, magical. And if that could possibly be replicable, wow, we might assist lots of people.
Tim Ferriss: Nicely, let’s discuss it as a result of earlier than we began recording, I used to be attempting to get an thought of the tough variety of cerebral palsy diagnoses within the US. And also you’re primarily based in Northern California, so I needed to get an thought in California. These are actual again of the serviette, tough web responses, but it surely looks as if, let’s name it roughly a million diagnoses within the US doubtlessly. After which that could possibly be incidence in that diagnoses, however someplace between 100 and 120,000 in California alone. So it is a non-trivial situation. It’s very prevalent.
And in case you might develop a way by way of doing analysis, develop a way that you just talked about could possibly be replicated, could possibly be taught to bodily therapists, then this might have an incredible affect on a large scale. And possibly we might discuss what a few of your ideas are. And I’m going to create an internet kind for individuals who need to doubtlessly point out curiosity in sure aspects of this, however what would possibly this system appear like?
What number of sufferers would you might have? What wouldn’t it appear like in apply to do a analysis challenge to find out in case you can formulate a way that may be replicable or a template possibly with a bit little bit of tweaking right here and there that bodily therapists might use or others?
Jerzy Gregorek: Meantime, I had some expertise with different cerebral palsy individuals. And my strategy is one, that I imagine that everyone can enhance. So it actually doesn’t matter for me is it cerebral palsy or not. If it’s power fatigue, it could actually occur. If it’s fibromyalgia, the progress can occur.
So with cerebral palsy, after we take into consideration cerebral palsy individuals, they’ve totally different circumstances, totally different beginnings. An important is to seek out the place is starting, the place to start out is without doubt one of the main factor, as a result of often I believe that we wish an excessive amount of, it’s not going to occur. So we have to discover this very tiny factor.
You keep in mind Jewel in Hawaii, you helped me to go and coach her. And he or she was 18 at the moment, and he or she couldn’t management her head and legs and arms. So her mom would maintain her, and I might attempt to discover out the place is the start together with her. And he or she has, arms like this and it was shifting. And I came upon that I pointed to 1 place. I took a ball very near her, about an inch from her arm after which fingers and requested her to the touch it. And he or she wrestle and wrestle. And we discovered a manner the place really she might contact it and he or she was so completely happy when she touched. Oh, I’ve to ship you these movies.
Tim Ferriss: Yeah, please.
Jerzy Gregorek: It’s simply you’ll be able to cry when you’ll be able to see issues like this. And her pleasure when she was doing it. So additionally the mathematics. I came upon that her thoughts was excellent with tales. She might discuss some issues and he or she liked the tales to take heed to tales, however her math was not likely totally different than Tae Jin’s.
She might solely depend from one to 10. After which including two plus 5 she would. After which we’d begin with that. So I see the mathematics is main a part of that technique. The bodily is in fact the start. The start is how sturdy they’re and the way versatile they’re. Flexibility is the primary level right here as a result of the awkwardness comes from each. One factor that the mind, the thoughts can not management these locations, however these locations additionally the elements of the physique grew to become that manner. In order that’s why awkwardness is coming in.
So the bodily and the bodily enchancment of the bodily turns into difficult as a result of they will injure themselves. They are often in ache. And people two who will facilitate, they might want to know find out how to begin, find out how to use the micro-progression, find out how to write all the things down.
Tae Jin knew all his numbers. He knew find out how to measure the time of 5 or 10 jumps. And he would write all of the jumps and introduced me to the fitness center what he did. His homework was numbers, numbers, numbers, numbers. Not solely the numbers of counting, but in addition the numbers of measure.
Tim Ferriss: So simply to hop in for a second, as a result of I might love to assist, in fact, that’s a part of the explanation we’re doing this dialog is to assist facilitate attempting to create some sort of template that may be utilized to lots of people with cerebral palsy. To not bury the lead, the brief hyperlink will simply be tim.weblog/CP and we’ll have an internet kind for individuals who might need to assist from an instructional perspective, ideally in Northern California, someplace inside close to driving distance since you’d need to be there. I believe the thought is possibly twice per week with these totally different of us, one thing like that.
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah, I see that about possibly 5 cerebral palsy individuals and assembly them twice per week, let’s say Tuesday and Friday, and for one yr after which add one other 5, so now it’s 10, one other 5. And do it for 5 years.
Tim Ferriss: 5 years in whole?
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah. File all the things, see the way it works, carry therapists or others that might really watch, observe, and study. And I imagine that this replicability is feasible. We have to check it, proper? We have to discover how is it actually attainable? What can we really do when now we have this 25 individuals?
It could possibly be that it was as a result of I used to be there, however I don’t need to say that it was due to me all the things occurred. It could possibly be that excellent storm occurred as a result of I used to be a math trainer, I’m a poet, I’m a weightlifter. So all of it occurred that I used to be this one particular person facilitating that. However after we do analysis, we don’t should have one particular person. We will have math individuals, English, and philosophers, and we are able to have trainers. We will create a middle. And in that middle, we are able to take into consideration how we are able to progress, how we are able to enhance and doc all the things in particulars the identical manner as I used to be doing. Micro-progression is an incredible energy.
Tim Ferriss: Nicely, it strikes me additionally that with the correct individuals concerned and with the correct consistency, proper? And I imply, you would possibly want a college member to comply with spearhead it. After which there could be fundraising, which is fairly simple to determine. After which they might have postdocs or individuals beneath them would assist with recruitment, though I don’t assume that’ll be an issue after this podcast, affected person recruitment, after which making the trains run on time.
However I might see a path, as I’m positive you’ve considered this rather more than I’ve, however the place you might find yourself with one thing like a core curriculum of rules that you just’re instructing. And possibly you’re recording video modules to clarify these items to practitioners the place it’s like micro-progressions, discovering a spot to start out. What are alternative ways to discover a place to start out?
After which maybe there are particular issues that received’t apply to everybody. So as an illustration, we didn’t discuss, we don’t have to spend so much of time on it, however Tae Jin was type of crumpled to the correct facet, proper? So that you had a ball hanging from the ceiling that you’d have him attain as much as contact to assist right that.
Jerzy Gregorek: Yeah. With the posture.
Tim Ferriss: There may be core curriculum and rules after which ancillary rules and strategies that may be utilized on a case by case foundation, however then you find yourself with this core curriculum that individuals can study remotely or one thing like that. I imply, it’s actually thrilling to consider.
Jerzy Gregorek: I believe that at this level, I see that we are able to assess these individuals from 5 views. I believe the bodily perspective, the place they’re bodily, the place is the pliability, the place is the power, math perspective, language perspective, philosophy perspective, beliefs perspective, the place they’re. So simply we are able to take the psychology after which psychologists and develop sure methods of assessing them the place our beliefs, proper?
In math, it’s very clear, proper? Within the language, most likely English academics and they’ll create in a short time curriculum to seek out out the place is the extent of that. After which as soon as now we have assess, okay, now we have a bodily downside that’s 80 p.c, math is just three p.c. The particular person is absolutely good at math in English as properly. However we are able to have additionally that math just isn’t there in any respect and strolling is sweet. So there are all potentialities how we are able to assess from this 5 perspective, these individuals, however we have to additionally discover and expertise them, proper? There’s not just one particular person, Tae Jin, as a result of it’s simply just one particular person. Now we have to see, can we really do with 5? Can we really ship what we delivered?
Tim Ferriss: Yeah. I imply, that is the scientific technique, proper? And you’ve got such a improbable place to begin, proper? It’s an N of 1, though you’ve labored with multiple particular person with cerebral palsy at this level, however let me simply give the URL once more. So for individuals who may be , that is, if you’re at Stanford or UCSF or San Jose State or someplace that may be capable of assist with this kind of analysis, if you’re in a monetary place and want to help this kind of analysis, go to tim.weblog/cp or if in case you have different assets you need to carry to bear on this ultimately. Tim.weblog/cp, standing for cerebral palsy. So tim.weblog/cp and simply fill out the online kind. I’m extremely enthusiastic about this.
We lined quite a bit in our first dialog. We’ve lined quite a bit on this dialog. Is there the rest that you just’d like to say or cowl that we haven’t gotten to already right this moment?
Jerzy Gregorek: What a query.
Tim Ferriss: Yeah.
Jerzy Gregorek: Nicely, yeah, we lined quite a bit, however I believe probably the most essential factor is that individuals can get assist and if now we have the correct strategy, we are able to facilitate, create it. And naturally, they modify, proper? We didn’t change them. So now we have to do not forget that we’re facilitators. We aren’t actually cultures that created the highly effective human being, that truly highly effective human being created themselves. And now we have to create a spot the place it’s athletically aligned with athleticism and never care solely.
We all know, I see that as quickly as we care or we train with out mission or objective or objectives, then we are able to train for 10 years and by no means change. So I noticed these individuals, hundreds of those individuals, proper? So it doesn’t apply solely to cerebral palsy individuals as a result of it applies in every single place else. However with cerebral palsy, as a result of it’s very attention-grabbing as a result of they’ve this example within the thoughts, within the mind that truly we might work with, that these are the patches within the mind that we are able to create the peripheral nervous system that truly goes round. We will create that thoughts, that plasticity of the thoughts we are able to create.
I believe I’ve a robust feeling that that is attainable. I at all times imagine that it may be accomplished. I simply created challenges, fixed challenges with Tae Jin that might ship the outcomes, the change, the why needed. It must be at all times the, the place are you going with it? So for me, he needed to stroll straight, he needed to stroll mushy. And for me, I might stay awake till I might get it.
So we’d like devoted individuals. We want individuals which are devoted to those individuals to assist them, not simply bodily therapists that need us to earn cash and go residence. It is a large problem.
These persons are extraordinarily difficult and we have to additionally problem them. And by the creating this problem, we are able to create wonderful issues really. So it’s not one thing that any individual has most cancers and it’ll worsen. That’s not the scenario right here. It’s a novel scenario with cerebral palsy folks that now we have the scenario that any individual is and any individual doesn’t change for worse.
Someone is like that. Can’t change for worse too as a result of life occurs, however as a result of persons are like that, now we have very clear slate to start with and we aren’t coping with unwell individuals, sick individuals. We’re simply coping with individuals who mechanically one thing occurred to their mind. And that may create for us a very nice starting. And it could possibly be that with virtually any cerebral palsy, one thing like this return to, I wouldn’t say they can’t return as a result of lots of them, they’re simply that manner. So they can’t return anyplace, however they will enhance and change into like Tae Jin change into Tae Jin that’s going to school from the individual that was solely ready for meals and sleep and couldn’t go to rest room and was torpid on a regular basis.
The life was like that for him and that life could be like that, proper? If nothing occurred, what really we did. He could be that particular person. And the mum or dad, right here’s the mother and father. The mother and father, I noticed completely happy mother and father, however after three, 4 years, they really, they had been like a ticking bomb, you mentioned about depth between these three individuals, proper? However about three, 4 years, I noticed them completely happy first time,
Blissful. And that is sufficient to battle for, proper? To present all the things, no matter you might have, to create the happiness on this three individuals who had been worrying on a regular basis what’s going to occur in the event that they die, what’s going to occur if one thing occurred to them. Now they don’t have to fret anymore.
Tae Jin is totally impartial. He’s in faculty for Christ’s sake. Simply think about that. And numerous that, I imagine, one hundred pc that may occur with everybody.
Tim Ferriss: The Blissful Physique micro-progressions, your philosophies and philosophy, would possibly scare individuals off. Your rules may be utilized to so many various issues that you just and Aniela have developed over time. Actually need to make this analysis challenge occur.
So of us, in case you’re keen on any manner serving to with that, in no matter capability, you go to tim.weblog/CP after which additionally need to point out similar to the best way that you just and Aniela coach may be utilized virtually definitely to many various circumstances, many various circumstances, all circumstances in some sense. I need to give a shout-out to Jeff Wolfe, the director of Prisoner, No Extra.
I at all times ask everyone earlier than I discuss to them or do something with them, what would make it actually a house run? And he simply talked about the larger alternative is to place Prisoner, No Extra, not simply as a standalone brief, however as a proof of idea for a bigger sequence. The imaginative and prescient is a slate underneath the identical umbrella. So you might have Prisoner, No Extra for alcoholism, Prisoner, No Extra for fill within the clean, proper? Which I believe can be very thrilling.
So I actually, actually hope individuals, you’ve received to look at it. You’ve received to see what we’re speaking about visually. It’ll simply — numerous you’ll cry. I’m going to let you know upfront, but it surely’s good cry. So test it out, tim.weblog/hardchoices in honor of —
Jerzy Gregorek: Decisions.
Tim Ferriss: Laborious decisions, simple life, simple decisions, arduous life. So tim.weblog/hardchoices, test it out. Yow will discover The Blissful Physique and extra on Jerzy and Aniela’s coaching at thehappybody.com. And I’ll hyperlink to all the things within the present notes as standard at tim.weblog/podcast. So in case you’re like, that’s quite a bit to recollect, don’t fear about it. Simply go to tim.weblog/podcast and search Jerzy, not spelled like New Jersey, however spelled J-E-R-Z-Y. And belief me, there’s just one Jerzy on my web site. It’s Jerzy Gregorek. Jerzy, thanks a lot for the time. It’s at all times nice to see you.
Jerzy Gregorek: Thanks, Tim.
Tim Ferriss: And everyone, thanks for listening. We’ll seize a chunk to eat tonight with the entire gang. And everyone who has tuned in as at all times, I recognize you. Till subsequent time, be only a bit kinder than is critical to others and to your self. However not simply consolation. Don’t simply make your self really feel higher.
Don’t simply eat that cheeseburger and watch actuality TV on Netflix. Problem your self. Wherever you occur to be, you can also make progress. You may make wonderful progress. You simply want to seek out the correct place to begin. And for that cause, take a look at the happybody.com. Hearken to my first dialog with Jerzy on the podcast as properly. Till subsequent time, thanks for tuning in.
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